Now, permit me to make one thing clear at the outset. Contrary to popular opinion, a sofa is a sofa. Not to be confused with a settle, a chesterfield or, indeed, an ottoman, a sofa is never [and, please, note the use of colour] a settee or, worse still, a couch. That said, I have recently become the owner of a Knole sofa, bequeathed to me by an old friend and, happily, able to be removed from her house via the hall door rather than the drawing room window through which it had, apparently, entered. It is a handsome piece. Capable of accommodating three people with ease, if not comfort, it provides commodious seating and, at the touch of a tassle, its hinged sides may be lowered, transforming this chameleon of the furniture world into an elegant daybed.
No-one appears to know when the first Knole sofa was made but the most famous example, over 350 years old, can be seen today in the place from which it takes its name, Knole near Sevenoaks in Kent. Three stories exist to suggest why the Knole sofa, characterised by its tall, upright back and high sides, held in place by rope ties, was made in this distinctive form. One idea is that the sofa's shape was ideally suited to make room for the large dresses of the seventeenth century. The bigger the dress, the more the sides could be dropped. A second thought is that the high back and sides protected the sitter from cold, winter draughts - very common in houses of the period. Or finally, and perhaps most naughtily, the Knole sofa afforded privacy from the prying eyes of servants for those not wishing to be caught in some illicit lovers' embrace.
Whatever the reason for its manufacture, it seems entirely appropriate that such a magnificent piece of furniture should have its roots in the palatial splendour of Knole. Built in the fifteenth century, and known as a 'calendar' house, it has 365 rooms, 52 staircases, and 7 courtyards. This rattling great mansion is set in a deer park of 1000 acres and makes an imposing landmark in the Kent countryside. Given to Thomas Sackville by Elizabeth I in 1566, Knole became the birthplace and childhood home of Vita Sackville-West, creator of the now famous gardens at nearby Sissinghurst Castle.
And so now my own piece of history sits prominently in my Budapest dining room. Acquired in a rather dreadful shade of Barbara Cartland pink, it awaits transformation to something altogether more suitable by my talented Hungarian upholsterer. Piled high with cushions, and flanked on either side by large wrought iron candle holders, I envisage it as beckoning one to be cocooned within its walls. Here will be the ideal place to settle with a Christmas book and reflect upon its erstwhile cousin, preserved forever in a cabinet of glass, over a thousand miles away in Merrie England.
P.S. The image, courtesy of the National Trust, shows the west front of Knole together with a part of the extensive deer park.

140 comments:
As always, your post is as informative as it is a pleasure to read.
I shall tuck "calendar house" away to impress a future fellow dinner party guest.
Dear Raina, Thank you so much for your kind comment. Yes, I do not think that the term 'calendar house' is very well known. One can only imagine what it is like living with 52 staircases!!
Oh Edith,
This is such an appropriate post for me. We have two Knole sofa's in our lounge. One leather and the other in a deep burgundy. The burgundy one has seen better days and we went to look at a new sofa yesterday. I have seen one that looks beautiful with just one base cushion which, I feel, will look better, and is a beige/grey colour with a button back. .....but, our Knole sofa is so comfortable, I can't bring myself to order the other one. I am in such a dilema over it !! I wonder, because you so timely posted about the wonderful Knole, that it is a sign to hold fire and hang onto mine !! I think that sofa buying is very difficult, as one will never really know how it looks or feels until the said sofa has been purchased and then it's too late. Wish me luck, Edith. XXXX
Very interesting! thank you for the information. Also, from now I will make the distinction between sofa and couch.
Dear Jacqueline, Thank you for your comment. TWO Knole sofas...now, that is riches indeed, dear Jacqueline. As for your sofa buying dilemma....there can be no question.....you simply must have your Knole sofa reupholstered. It will prove to be an heirloom and there are such wonderful fabrics and trimmings that one can obtain!!
Dear Fer, Thank you for your comment. Yes, dear Fer, always a sofa and never a couch!!
Edith, my wife Myra and I have been eagerly awaiting your next post in your tutorial. You have not let us down. When I was a child in a poor working class family a sofa was for the posh families who had no need for a settee which was only required by those who did not have enough bedrooms. I now know what a knoll sofa is. I have been visiting the first Enlish blogger daily for the past four years http://www.pepysdiary.com/ fascinating. Alistair
Dear Edith,
The Knole sofa sounds lovely and a perfect addition to your appartment. A little finishing touch might be a copy of Neil MacGregor's "A History of the World in 100 Objects", which I think you would enjoy.
Edith,
Oh how disheartened I was to read that you chose to place the sofa in the Budapest apartment. Now I am sure you a wondering at my distraught over this. After reading the three possible explanations for the design of the Knole sofa I immediately envisioned our Edith entwined in a romantic frolic. And with the peace of mind that as your J went about his garden tasks he would be unaware of his Lady’s passionate activities. But alas, these thoughts were quickly put rest.
Now putting all silliness aside, how wonderful for you to come into the possession of such a wonderful piece of important furniture to the design world. I truly hope that you have many, many years of enjoyment with it. And, well, if the opportunity presents itself… - G
Dear Alistair, Thank you so much for your comment. Oh dear, I do so hope that I do not appear to be preaching. It is just that the Englsh language seems to be under attack from all corners and I always feel a need to defend it. I have not seen the website that you mention, but I am intrigued and shall definitely look it up.
And, dear Alistair, thank you so much for becoming a 'Follower'. Your support is very much appreciated.
It sounds very inviting and I love furniture that serves multiple purposes. It is always good to have options. I also enjoyed hearing about the 'calendar house.'
Dearest Isobel, Thank you for your comment. I just happened to catch one or two of the '100 objects' when they were broadcast on Radio 4, and I agree, I am sure that I should very much enjoy Neil Mac Gregor's book.
Dearest G, Thank you so much for your very naughty comment which made me laugh out loud!! Who knows.....perhaps a lovers' tryst in Budapest......and the sofa will give seclusion from my cook/housekeeper who, believe me, dearest G, sees and knows absolutely everything!!!
Most ejoyable insight and information on this classic piece of furniture :)
What colour of upholstery will you be going for (I presume it won't be pink)?
Dear Sherlock Street, Thank you for your comment. Yes, the Knole sofa is certainly an interesting piece of C17th design which has stood the test of time.
Dear Mark and Gaz, Thank you for your comment. You are quite right....definitely not pink. But, I have yet finally to decide upon the fabric and the colour.....cream seems too safe....red seems too frightening....and the whole world seems to be coloured 'greige'.....
hi edith,
i always learn so much here, thank you for that!
i hope one day you will show us this gorgeous sounding sofa. i would love to see it reupholstered and you sitting on it with your christmas book and a cup of tea.
please.
~janet
Hi lovely Edith,
Hooray! Another lovely post!
I am SO with you about the banning of 'couch'...but guess what my husband's parents call it? Yup, the couch!!
Mr Modern Country still doesn't understand my 'Uuuugh' reaction to the word!!
Sarahx
Dear Janet, Thank you for your kind comment. I always learn a tremendous amount from you!!
I know that you are eager to see pictures....and your postings are so beautifully illustrated....but first I have to track down a camera and then learn how to use it! Believe me, mystery is best!!
For a moment there I imagined the PROVENANCE of your sofa was Knole and thought: How could that be! I know the design, but not the name, and don't remember it from Knole. But then you don't get to see all 352 rooms in an afternoon ;) Thank you, Edith, for a really interesting post! Jack
Dear Sarah, Thank you for your very kind comment. Oh dear....Mr MCS and his parents....there are no two ways around this.....couch is absolutely incorrect. You shall need to insist, dear Sarah, or an invitation to a Buckingham Palace garden party may be in jeopardy!!
Dear Jack, Thank you for your generous comment. No, dear Jack, my sofa is not the original from Knole!!!! That one is most securely contained in a glass case in one of Knole's 365 rooms for visitors to admire its threadbare C17th upholstery.
Good Evening Edith from a very snowy Perthshire.
Many years ago I admired a Knole sofa in a showroom but the suite just looked too big for my room. I did regret afterwards that I had not chosen it but after another house move my rooms are much too small now to accomodate one properly in a room. I have a new Parker Knoll suite instead.
Dear Rosie, Thank you for your comment. I do so hope that you are in the warm and able to look at the snow from the comfort of indoors.
Yes, Knole sofas do take up a lot of room and this is most probably why they have fallen from favour in recent years. I am sure that your Parker Knoll furniture is ideal and, I am certain, far more comfortable!!
Dear Edith, I am pleased to learn about Knole sofas, and also about the Knole estate. Thank you for your informative post.
Very interesting post as I just last year located and acquired an antique Knole for a client. I saw it at an estate sale and knew immediately the worth. The sofa itself was in good shape, but like your sofa, it needed a good reupholstering which the client's thankfully had the money to do well. Now is sits in a country mansion, not a palace, but worthy of it's fine heritage.
I love the image with the deer. Are deer only kept in Deer Parks and owned by those of means?
Dear Edith,
Just googled your sofa! I never heard of it before, so I had to see how it looks like. Would love to see a picture of your sofa, once upholstered! The Knole sofa's on google looked as if it they came straight out of the Middle Ages. Your candles beside it make the picture for me complete.
Ah Knole! I would have loved to visit. When we stayed near Tunbridge Wells two years ago, we visisted Sissinghurst instead. Knole looks very grand on the photo. Perhaps I can visit in 2011. Just planned a visit in May with two friends.
Enjoy your weekend!
Lieve groet, Madelief
How fun to learn so many things in one afternoon! I have been a-googling to see that image of a sofa bed you described. What a charming piece of furniture! I am embarrassed to admit I'd never heard of a Knole...the sofa nor the estate. What an interesting conversation piece you will now have!
I always learn something quite unexpected from you Edith. Right now I'm trying to wrap my mind around 365 rooms and 52 staircases. No, can't do it. Would each room have a fireplace too? Just thinking of the logistics of feeding, bedding 300 or so guests, the servants needed, the food, the furniture.....
Dear Edith,
How interesting. I had no idea of the history behind the Knole sofa. Knole House also has a very interesting history with gardening connections.
Best wishes,
Ingrid
Knole sofas are not something I hear much about these days, but they are a beautiful design, so much more refined than the classic davenport...although I'm sorry about the Barbara Cartland pink of your sofa. I'm sure you will restore its dignity forthwith! What color will you choose?
Fascinating post Edith. I had never before heard of the Knole sofa, or the century house (how bizarre for a house/castle -one needs plenty of room for all the staircases, rooms and courtyards. I looked up Knole sofa on the 'google' and there are plenty of photos to help you find the look you are after for the new sofa.
Knole...'built in the fifteenth century, and known as a 'calendar' house, it has 365 rooms, 52 staircases, and 7 courtyards. This rattling great mansion is set in a deer park of 1000 acres and makes an imposing landmark in the Kent countryside.' I marvel at an estate this large. I wonder if it is open occasionally for a tour by locals or tourists. The estate helps to clarify in my mind how a sofa is different from a couch- it's regal!
I so enjoyed this..thank you. Yes, the whole world seems to be greige..(especially this time of year) ..perhaps something smoke/silver/taupe...is that the same as greige))))).. a lustrous decadent fabric...thick silk perhaps.
Lucky you...a Knole and in Budapest..!! Lovely.
Hello Edith,
Sounds like a wonderful addition to your room and I'm sure the transformation will be beautiful. What a wonderful piece of furniture which represents a little bit of history and has much more meaning than a brand new "couch" (no comparison).
I hope you enjoy it...sounds like you will. ~Amy
I remember you telling me about it, so I'm looking forward to seeing what fabric you cover it in. Re-upholstering can be fiercely expensive in some countries, and even here it's no snip. (My upholsterer works for Jim Thompson, whose fabric adorns most of the furniture.)
Your awesome blessings never end, dearest Edit. I would love to be a keen eared mouse beneath your Knole pink sofa ~ oh the rich stories, both past and present :)
Would love to see a picture of the Knole SOFA after its transformation Edith. As usual loved the description and the tidbits from history and yes the CALENDER House in all its glory.
I've always loved the look of Knole sofas but knew absolutely nothing about them. Now I do...thank you! You sure you don't want to keep the hot pink Edith...it would go perfectly with Buffy when I send her to you :)
Too bad you didnt have any photo to show us because I just couldnt imagine what a Knole sofa looks like though I love the history of it! Maybe next time, after you have upholstered it to make it more elegant I presume..:)
I wonder if Thomas Sackville ever dreamed that his place of debauchery with the understairs maid would lead to such future wonders as "Land of Sofas"?
Knole is not too far away from me; I shall visit it as my NT membership is woefully underused!
Dear Terra, Thank you for your comment. Knole sofas are something of a rarity these days, so I am pleased that you have found the background information interesting.
Dear GWGT, Thank you for your comment. How exciting to have been commissioned to track down a Knole sofa for clients and then to see its transformation.
Deer are still to be found in the wild in the UK, but Deer Parks are generally attached to large country estates where shooting parties are commercial businesses.
Dear Madelief, Thank you so much for your comment. Yes, I agree that a Knole sofa does look, as indeed it does, as if it belongs to a bygone era. It certainly makes a very imposing presence in a room, which is why the upholstery needs, I feel, very careful consideration.
Yes, do visit Knole. It is, as you may imagine, vast so comfortable shoes and plenty of time are needed. It is open through the National Trust and their website will give you all opening details.
Dear FG, Thank you for your comment. Yes, the Knole sofa will, as you say, make something of a conversation piece as many people are unaware of its provenance and it will be fun to explain it all.
Dear Helen, Thank you for your comment. One really does have to see Knole at first hand to appreciate that it is a vast Mediaeval palace, once 'home' to King Henry VIII. And, you are so right, the logistics of running the place is mind boggling.
Dear Ingrid, Thank you for your comment. I am pleased that you found the origins of the Knole sofa of interest. Perhaps one day you might visit Knole and experience the place for yourself as it is endlessly fascinating.
Dear Clare, Thank you for your comment. The pink was, at least in my view,an unfortunate choice but choosing its replacement is somewhat problematic as whatever selection is made it will have a big impact as the sofa is very large.
Dear Patty, Thank you for your comment. It is strange how although I have acquired much furniture over the years, nothing has given me quite the excitement of the Knole sofa. For me, it is such a fascinating historical piece and does create a unique ambience in a room.
Dear Paul, Thank you for your comment. Knole is now in the hands of the National Trust and so is open on a regular basis throughout the year to the public. I believe that the Deer Park is open all year round at no charge to visitors.
Dear Bren, Thank you for your comment. I very much like the sound of a 'decadent fabric' for the Knole sofa. I agree that its pedigree demands a luxurious treatment!!
Dear Amy, Thank you for your comment. I must admit that the Knole sofa is not the most comfortable of seating and it is my intention that when newly upholstered its stuffing as well as its fabric will have attention. I then hope to be able to enjoy relaxing on it with a good book and, of course, a glass of wine!!!
Dear Columnist, Thank you for your comment. Good upholsterers are extremely hard to find and hugely expensive in the UK so I am very fortunate to have an affordable and talented Hungarian upholsterer. The sofa will require 12m of fabric and he will colect and return the finished sofa within a week. Perfect!!
Dearest Joey, Thank you for your comment. I love the image of the mouse, but oh, how much better for us to be sitting side by side on the sofa [there is acres of room] and enjoying a drink and the most delicious gossip together!!
Dear Radhika, Thank you for your kind comment. I am so pleased that you have enjoyed the story of the Knole sofa and the house which gave it its name.
Dear Kerry, Thank you for your comment. I am ABSOLUTELY sure that I have no wish to keep the hot pink covering......but Buffy would go perfectly with any covering as far as I am concerned!! The claw marks would all contribute to the shabby English country house look which I always aim for!!!
Dear P3chandan, Thank you for your comment. I am afraid that I rarely publish photographs which bear much resemblance to what I write about as I have no camera. But, I may just get a friend to photograph the Knole sofa once it is reupholstered if it is an improvement on its current pink look!!
Hi Edith, I don't think I have ever seen a Knole sofa. I did look it up and found one labeled a Deco Knole Sofa, so it is obviously a style that has been sought out in all centuries.
It sounds very elegant, and I am sure will look spectacular when reupholstered.
Eileen
Dear IG, Thank you for your comment. What stories Knole could tell...and not just about the sofa!!!
Oh, dear IG, if you have yet to visit Knole, then do. I am sure that you will be intrigued by it if not lost in it!!!
Dear Eileen, Thank you for your comment. Yes, since the first Knole sofa, some 350 years ago, it has enjoyed periods of popularity as well as times when it has fallen from favour. The problem for modern houses is that Knole sofas tend to be very large and so are not the easiest pieces of furniture to accommodate.
Dear Edith,what a wicked sense of humour you have!
I also inherited Knole sofas 2 from my Grandparents...both the 'dreaded Barbara Cartland pink' I remember meeting her she was dressed head to toe in pink,also her Rolls Royce was pink!
I used my sofas for some years before sending them to auction.I Found them too uncomfortable my Grand/Ps had them in the library & they could be carried out of the French windows with ease,but in my house had to remove the wing arms to get them through the doors!
I visited Knole some years ago,found the interior rather oppresive,with lots of 16th century oils by boring (if gifted) portraits like Holbein etc.
The grounds too were fairly extensive with the odd temple.
It did not really make me think of a second visit. Ida
Dear Ida, Thank you so much for your comment. What fun to have met Barbara Cartland, although what one might have found to say to her I am not at all sure. And, how wonderful to have inherited two Knole sofas. Such a pity that you did not keep one, even if one could not bear to sit upon it for long.
Knole is indeed a time warp since little has changed from the C17th. Therein lies its intrigue, at least for me.
I also hadn't heard of a Knole sofa so I had to look them up, they are beautiful. They do look like the perfect place to cozy up with a book.
I confess to not knowing the difference between a sofa and a couch – is the latter an Americanism? This was an interesting history. I love the deer before the castle in the opening shot.
Now I'm contemplating what the difference could be between "sofa" and "couch." Is either a divan, or a davenport? I must do some research, which will invariably lead me off the narrow path I'd set for myself this afternoon. I always learn something interesting from your posts, Edith.
I can always be assured that I will learn something new upon visiting your blog, Edith. I had never heard of a Knole sofa before, but a quick look and I now know and appreciate what you're speaking of. The Barbara Cartland pink, I sadly understood without checking and shuddered in sympathy. Joining the song of those who would like to see the restored sofa once you reupholster it in a manner suitable to its dignified history.
Ohhh Edith...I have always wanted a Knole sofa. In fact, we were looking at one when my son was first born for our morning room, but decided on something a bit more child-friendly. Now that he's older I would really like to have one...I am sure yours will be gorgeous when your upholsterer works his magic!
So interesting about Knole and its 52 staircases! It must be just magnificent to see in person.
H.H.
Dear Edith, I visualize two scenarios: First, the Knole sofa upholstered in gold brocade. It looks rather like a throne, so you are holding court - wearing your tiara. In the second scene, you are curled up with a book surrounded by feather bolsters and scatter cushions. Do have someone take a photograph, please, and chose either of the above situations.
Oh, how I envy you your fine antique acquisition. Pamela x
LOVE this!! And so shocking that a man would, especially in those times, design a sofa to accommodate a woman (and her dress). And also loved the "calendar house" tidbit - love knowing all these fascinating tidbits!!
The Knole sofa looks to be a comfy and practical piece, as well as very beautiful Edith. I hope you will be happy together in Budapest! I recall fondly my first love affair . . . in book only . . . with Vita and her vast castle Knole. I much prefer her later home and gardens Sissinghurst. Wishing you luck in covering the frightful pink very soon, and may you have many lovely gay times in the new posh folds. Thank you for another delightful post!
I have just had a lovely 30 minutes trolling through your blog
lovely!!!
Dear Catherine, Thank you for your comment. Yes, a Knole sofa is the perfect place to 'curl up with a book', and that is exactly what I intend to do!!
Dear Sarah, Thank you for your comment. The term 'couch' is a very 'Non-U' expression [according to Nancy Mitford]and is, therefore, to be avoided at all costs!!
Dear Charlotte, Thank you for your comment. In England, a divan is always a bed and a davenport is a particular type of desk. To confuse either with a sofa must only be possible in America I assume.
Dear Jodi, Thank you so much for your comment. There is always, I find, some new discovery every time one enters the Blogosphere and that is what makes it so interesting, at least for me. I might be tempted to publish a photograph of the finished sofa as there seems to be so much interest.
Dear Jodi, it is, I agree, rather shaming that we do know who Barbara Cartland is!!!
Dear HHR, Thank you so much for your comment. If you have another opportunity, then do go ahead and get a Knole sofa. I am sure that it would look wonderful in your Morning Room and would provide sufficient seating for all the family!!!
Dear Pamela, Thank you so much for your amusing comment. Of the two scenarios you offer,it will have to be the second that I follow since the tiara, sadly, had to be sold some years ago!!!!
It is as a comfortable reading spot, bolstered by feather cushions, that I imagine the Knole sofa to become. I shall try to get someone to capture the scene!
Dear Q, Thank you so much for your comment. I am pleased that you found something of interest in what I wrote. Knole and the Sackvilles are extremely interesting topics that continue to fascinate me today!!
Dearest Carol, Thank you so much for your kind comment. I agree, Knole and Vita Sackville-West are very much intertwined and offer such intrigue and interest in terms of both the English Country House and the lives of a group of highly creative individuals.
Dear John, Thank you so much for your kind comment and for becoming a 'Follower'. I am delighted that you found things of interest in what I write and hope that you will continue to enjoy future postings.
Dear Edith, Another fascinating post! I have really enjoyed learning something new via such a lovely post. :)
Edith,
I needed to google knole sofas...I hadn't the foggiest idea what they looked like...and they are quite different from a couch or a settle although they remind me of a combination of the two.
I learn something new every time I read your posts!
Being short I fear that I would be swallowed up sitting in one of these...I assume that you are willowy and tall.
Dear Ms S, Thank you for your kind comment. I feel that I am leading something of a revival of Knole sofas here!!!
Dear Hostess, Thank you so much for your comment. Willowy and tall....I wish....I love being 'swallowed' by the sofa with my feet not touching the ground. Although I have never thought about it in the way you say, you are so right that it is very much a combination piece of furniture and is very flexible in how it can be used.
Dear Edith, I would not disagree about a sofa :-) I like all the reasons for its design and could certainly do with something to keep the draughts away this evening. It is bitter here. I What are the temperatures like where you are?
Dear Edith,
My cousin works for the National Trust in Kent as a curator and I feel sure that she has responsibilities at Knole. Thanks for your interesting post full of interesting snippets of information and I really hope you get enjoyment out of your sofa.
Dear Tim, Thank you for your comment. How interesting that you have a connection with the National Trust and Knole. Curating for these wonderful country houses must be the most perfect job!
Dear Chris, Thank you for your comment. Unfortunately, the sofa is in Budapest where temperatures are rather higher than in freezing London where I am at the moment. An effective draught excluder is certainly needed at present!!!
What a beautiful sofa...
I have never seen one like that
thanks for the information...
Now I will be on the lookout for one
I loved this posting and love peeking into another kind of life.
The late Vita is one of my favorites. I climb to the tower at Sissinghurst and picture her in her beloved garden.
All joys,
Sharon Lovejoy Writes from Sunflower House and a Little Green Island (your newest follower)
I am intrigued by a sentence in the first paragraph, as it seems to allude to an untold aspect of the story. You write that the sofa was now "able to be removed from her house via the hall door rather than the drawing room window through which it had, apparently, entered." Was the hallway door enlarged after the sofa's arrival or is there some other explanation that allowed for the ease of its removal? I am just as curious to know what kind and color of fabric you have chosen to reupholster this classic piece of furniture.
In my house (notice: not "home") a sofa is a "sofa" and nothing else. But there are certain homes (notice: not "houses") here on this side of the pond where it is acceptable to refer to what you and I call a sofa as a "couch." But to do so with a straight face, unencumbered by the knowledge that others only call it a "sofa", requires that said occupant of such a piece of furniture in such a dwelling live on a steady diet of junk food and corn sugar-based beverages while endlessly watching mind-numbing television reality shows and prole sporting events, their hands ever engaged in the delivery of more food and drink to their ready mouths and expanding waistlines. These people are the potatoes that sit on couches, not sofas.
Dear Edith, you are, as ever, a champion of good taste and good English! Though I do feel I am missing something not being able to feast my eyes on a Barbara Cartland Pink sofa in your home. I find it hard to reconcile such a traditional design with the image Barbara Cartland conjures up. I fear I might rather enjoy the culture clash it represents...
Dear Suz, Thank you for your comment. Knole sofas are not very common so you may have to look quite hard to find one....but they are well worth the search.
Dear Sharon, Thank you so much for your comment and for becoming a 'Follower'. Vita and the garden at Sissinghurst never fail to intrigue and entrance me so I am delighted that you are a fan too. I do so hope that you will continue to find something of interest in future postings.
Dear Jennifer, Thank you for your comment. Well spotted! When the sofa was bequeathed to me my friend pointed out [when it was too late to say no]that the sofa had entered her house through the Drawing Room window as the removal men could not manoeuvre it through the hall door. As I knew that I should be recovering it, the sofa had one arm 'amputated' and the fabric slashed in order that it could be turned upside down and angled through the hall door. Now you know it all, dear Jennifer!!
Dear Reggie, Thank you so much for your most amusing comment. I had begun to wonder where the term 'couch potato' came from.....and now I know. Are these the same people, dear Reggie, who have 'toilets'?!!!
Dear Janet, Thank you for your comment which made me smile. Oh how the Knole sofa would look with BC, a symphony in pink consumed by the all embracing raspberry tinged sofa. One large marshmallow comes to mind!!
A classy pink Knole sofa, piled high with cushions, is exactly what I pictured for you, Edith. Interesting post.
Dear Willow, Thank you for your comment. Definitely not pink for me, but piled high with cushions....absolutely!!And, of course, a good book [and gin and tonic]in hand.
Because I am a poor Yank I had to Google knole sofa and found an appropriate site, Manolo for the Home, that further explained your wonderful description with photos of how the sofa looks and works. What a beauty and so full of history and romantic intrigue.
BTW...the blog is not written by THE Manolo Blahnik, but it's still fun.
Dear Teresa, Thank you for your comment. I was thrilled to think that Manolo and I were as one over house furnishings....how cruel of you to state that it is otherwise!!!
My goodness. I have no idea now what to call the things I sit on in my living room. Perhaps, I'll just sell them and buy a couple of stools. I know what to call those. I think.
Thank you for the post. It is always fascinating to hear the origins of items and why they were made the way they were.
My Dear Edith:
Couch Potatoes here in the USA most often refer to the bathroom object you refer to as, alternately, "the throne" or "the porcelain goddess" when they are being humorous, and as "the commode" when they are being refayned. Technically, and most accurately, it is known as a "toilet" on this side of the pond, but Reggie is also aware of more indecorous ways of referring to said necessary, but he refrains from writing such words in his comments to a blog such as yours.
Fondly, Reggie
Dear Turling, Thank you for your comment which made me smile. How lovely to hear from you. At the end of the day, all that really matters is that the seating is comfortable....stools seem to be a very drastic solution!!
Dearest R, Welcome back. It may amuse you to know that Carole Middleton [mother of the future Queen of England, Catherine, formerly Kate Middleton] has been vilified in the English press for two particular 'sins'. The first is that she is to be seen chewing gum in public and the second that she refers to the loo[or more properly, the lavatory] as the toilet. It would appear,in these ever more egalitarian days, that even amongst 'Royal Circles' there are no standards left!!!
Dear One:
And to be absolutely clear on the subject, here in what were once known long ago as the Colonies, one does not (at least those of us that consider ourselves to be a "one" and not a "them") "go to the toilet," one "goes to the bathroom." But when Reggie ponders such a choice of words, it strikes him as silly and smacking of "refaynment," since one isn't actually going to the room (at least in this case) to bathe, but rather for another purpose altogether.
Tell me, what does the Queen says when referring to such indecorous (and inevitable) things? If one isn't aware of what the Queen calls 'em, what about the other swells that choke the ranks of the well-born in the land of Reggie's forebears? Please enlighten your eager reader(s).
Yours, Reggie
Someone else with a fixation on calling a sofa, a sofa! I love Knole sofas too and feel we should be treated to a photo of you reclining on yours.
Dearest R, Welcome back again. Let us be absolutely clear and direct on the matter......lavatory, lavatory and lavatory. That IS the correct word, although loo is acceptable...just! And so, when in need of one, one should ask...."may I use the lavatory?". This, dearest R, is what I should hope and imagine the Queen says. How she will cope with Carole Middleton is anyone's guess!!!
Dear Elizabeth, Thank you for your comment. I am pleased that you also like Knole sofas. I shall keep you in suspense about a picture of me reclining on mine!!!
Dear Edith - Were it not for the pink, I could easily visualise you in regal, draught free repose. Have you decided on a colour?
You are missing all the snow chaos of Merrie England but London is holding out. Sofa, so good!
Laura
Dear Laura, Thank you so much for your amusing comment. I really have not decided on the fabric yet, but shall buy it in Brighton at an excellent fabric shop I know and then shall have it sent to Budapest. As there has been such interest, a photograph of the finished product may well feature in a future posting!!
Hi Edith,
I am sorry, but this post escaped my eyes for a while. My parents had a monster sized green one that made one, regardless of age and stature, feel like a five year old waiting for the grown ups to arrive. The ropes were wrapped around wooden poles reminiscent or beer pump handles.
Dear Gary, Thank you for your comment.Lovely to hear from you. Yes, I know what you mean about being swallowed up in a Knole sofa since when I sit right back in it my feet are way off the ground. Rather like being Alice in Wonderland!!
There has always been a special place in my heart for Knole. I especially love the trompe l'loeil stair banisters. As trompe l'oeil goes, they're rather primitive, which gives them all the more charm. ...Mark
Edith,
I've recently discovered your blog and have been visiting with great delight. You're a positively wonderful writer and so interesting! You sound like a fascinating person to know. If I ever galvanize myself into finishing setting up my own blog, I'll invite you over for tea. In my grandmother's house, the "couch" was called a davenport. Stuffed with down, the cushions would swallow you alive. Wonderful!
Carol K
Hi Edith, when I started reading this post I thought it might be magical or surreal. I think I was associating it with a lion, a witch and a wardrobe, quite a different type of furniture. But please note - I was not confusing it with a settee, chesterfield or a common couch! cheers, catmint
Dear Mark, Thank you for your comment. Knole is rather special in that it is for me a place where time stands still. One can almost sense the inhabitants of centuries gone by.
Dear Carol, Thank you so much for your kind and generous comment. It has been quite a revelation for me to hear of the American 'davenport' since in the UK it always refers to a certain type of desk. I do so hope that we shall get to know each other better over tea!!!
Dear Catmint, Thank you for your comment. Unfortunately, the Knole sofa is, at the end of the day, just a sofa and not the way into a land of mystery and magic!!
Dear Edith Hope,
so good to be able to read your wonderful blog again - after a fast of 13 days (which appeared much longer to me) Telecom succeeded in installing Internet and telephone again, hurrah!
The sofa you are describing sounds beautiful - and practical. I too have a sofa - no, that is not the right word, as I learned now - a 'whatsoever' at the upholsterer - it is the conceptional design from WK-furniture in the 50s (about that decade Husband had made an exhibition) but never went into production (maybe it didn't give enough room for ball-gowns :-)
It's only for two people at a time - but that is quite enough, I think. The upholsterer has so much to do that I have to wait till January...
Dear Britta, Thank you so much for your kind comment. How wonderful to hear from you. I trust that you are now fully 'moved in'. Your own 'sofa' sounds most interesting and how exciting it will be to have it newly upholstered and in your new house!!
Dear Edith,
I only hope that you will - one day - reward us with a photo of your newly transformed acquisition. You cannot just water our mouths and secretly hide this bonbon!
Warm greetings from Munich,
Petra
Dear Petra, Thank you for your comment.I am pleased that you are tantalised to know and see more....I just hope that the finished result will be worth the wait!!!
Edith,
To your davenport comments - a davenport can be a certain type of desk here too, but I've never heard anyone use the term. The davenport sofa originated with the Davenport Co. that made them and then just got adopted for generic use. But it's an old-time and, I think, regional term in the US. No one but older (very) people would know it. My grandparents always referred to it as the "davie" with the "a" as in the American cat. Great to sit on (or in due to the sinking effect), but it wreaked havoc on the spine if you tried to put through a night on it. Have a pleasant weekend!
Dear Carol, Welcome back and thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to tell me more about the 'davenport'.
I think that my Knole sofa, rather like your grandparents' davie, will require some remedial work in order that any comfort can be found in sitting on it let alone relaxing on it!!
Enjoy a lovely weekend!!
Dear Edith,
Thank you for your lovely post. I also don’t like using the word couch, I think it diminishes the importance of the piece… I love the architectural form of the Knole sofa, which in my opinion makes it feel regal!
Hello, Edith:
What a delight to find your blog! Or shall I say personal electronic journal?
Of course, you are right about the hunter Wellies. Shiney things do draw me in, however. So nice to "meet" you.
Best,
Colleen
as delightful and as erudite as ever Edith...
A very interesting post! I will look forward to you sofa reveal!
The use of the word couch when one means sofa is truly awful!
Dear PoE, Thank you for your kind comment. Yes, I agree with you that a Knole sofa is a most architectural piece. It certainly makes an impact in the room in which it sits.
Dear Colleen, Thank you so much for your comment and for becoming a 'Follower'. I am delighted that we have met in the labyrinth of the Blogosphere. Personal electronic journal is indeed a far more elegant term that weblog and I shall use it from now on!
Dear Michael, Thank you for your kind comment and for visiting today!
Dear AAA, Thank you for your comment. Oh dear I now feel enormous pressure to 'reveal' my newly upholstered sofa....this may take some time!!!
Dear Edith, this post was such a delight to read. I have often wondered if there were a connection between the knole sofa and Knole House, of which I have visited many times and love its grandeur and illustrious history.
Oh I can just imagine your beautiful knole sofa - what a wonderful bequest from your dear friend - and I'm sure it will look even more wonderful when re-upholstered. The perfect place to curl up with a good book. Enjoy!
Jeanne
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Dear Jeanne, Thank you so much for your kind comment. I have not yet decided what fabric to use but I am excited at the prospect of the sofa in all its new finery. As you say, the perfect place to escape with a book.
Interesting as always and next time I go to Knole I will have to look out especially for the Knole sofa.
Dear Barbara, Thank you for your comment. Knole is such a vast place that one always sees something different on every visit.
Speaking as the owner of a somewhat less than supportive sofa myself Edith, I envy your comfort, and am thinking it's about time to invest in a new sofa, settle, or chesterfield, but never a settee!
Dear Kathy, Thank you for your comment. There is something wickedly luxurious about a sofa which just consumes and comforts one within its arms...the trouble is trying to rack one down.
And, dear Kathy, I have just read of your awful ordeal with the fire. I do hope that 'normality' is returning and that your lovely house will be sorted for the holidays. Perhaps a new sofa along with the new carpet?!!!
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